From: Barry Lenoble [lenobleb@symbol.com] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:27 AM To: 928 Subject: [928] Springs and Racing Hello, I love reading the race stuff. That's why I'm into Porsches. There seems to be some confusion about the effect of spring rate on lap times. Spring rate, by itself, has very little to do with lap times. In fact, for most cars, increasing spring rate alone with have just about zero effect on lap times. If you want to decrease your lap times without increasing power, you need to increase the amount of grip your car has. It's really very simple, more grip = faster speeds on the track. How can you increase grip? The easiest way it to get either stickier tires, and or wider wheels and wider tires. Assuming you already have the best wheels and tires you can afford, you must look to other ways. Grip is decreased when you have weight transfer. So, in order to MINIMIZE the lose of grip (you can't INCREASE grip w/o changing wheels and or tires) you must minimize the amount of weight transfer that occurs when the car is braking, accelerating, or cornering. Unless you totally re-engineer you suspension, the ONLY way you can change the amount of weight transfer is to lower the center of gravity. Changing springs, shocks, or swaybars does NOT change the amount of weight transfer. That can only be done by physically moving weight around in the car, or, more commonly, by lowering the car. If you lower the car, you increase the risk of running out of suspension travel, or bottoming out the suspension. So, you typically increase the spring rate so that you don't bottom the suspension. That's the main reason why race cars have stiffer springs than street cars. Another important reason is to decrease the amount of chamber change that occurs when a car leans. Increasing the spring rate will help with that. However, the effects of body lean on tire chamber change is very much dependant on the suspension design. So, in conclusion, if you want to go fast: 1. Put on the widest wheels with the stickiest rubber you can afford. 2. Remove as much weight from the car as possible. 3. Lower the car as much as possible (but make sure you still have suficient suspension travel) 4. Select a spring rate that maintains the proper ride height. 5. Select shocks and swaybars to tune handling characteristics of understeer and oversteer. If you just increase spring rate, but don't change anything else, don't expect any real changes in lap times. For more information on this and other racing subjects, I suggest the "--- to Win" series of books (like "Engineer to Win, Tune to Win, Race to Win) by Carrol Smith. Comments welcome, Barry Lenoble e-motion-racing@juno.com http://members.rennlist.com/drive944/ > ....................."I only gained .3 seconds > going from an october race time of 1:54.4 to my > New race suspension with double the spring rates as before time of 1:54.1. > the bottomline was that the car was much more manuverable than before, and > a heck of a lot more fun to drive. I wasnt feeling like I was tipping over > in the long off cambered sweepers and not diving the nose under hard > braking. much more control!!!! But, contrary to most of the so called > suspension set up "experts" it didnt make me a whole lot faster."