From: CZach928@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:09 AM To: 928 Subject: [928] Re: white 89 GT on AutoTrader In a message dated 3/15/01 8:21:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, BCOLEMAN@perceptron.com writes: << 89 GTs are rare enough, but I don't remember ever seeing a white one before. Seems like a reasonable price, esp. with the 60K service already done. >> Yes they are very rare (car and color). Of the 33 1989 928 GT's I have documented, 4 of them are Grand Prix White. Here's the color breakdown: Black - 14 Red - 8 White - 4 Gray - 4 Blue - 3 Silver - 0 This particular car has been for sale for quite some time. The price seems to be pretty reasonable especially when you consider LCN is probably asking a couple thousand more than what the owner has the car listed for. Someone on the list told me they were going to look at it and I'm guessing since its still for sale, they passed. Wonder what's wrong with it? Regards, Chuck Zachman Carolinas Region PCA 928 OC - Charter Member 1995 928 GTS, 5-speed From: CZach928@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:57 AM To: 928 Subject: [928] Re: white 89 GT on AutoTrader In a message dated 3/15/01 9:27:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, BCOLEMAN@perceptron.com writes: << >Here's the color breakdown: > >Black - 14 >Red - 8 >White - 4 >Gray - 4 >Blue - 3 >Silver - 0 > No silver GTs? That surprised me. Out of curiosity, are all the cars you've documented still running, or do you know of GTs that are no longer with us? >> Yeah, that surprises me too. Of course there are still about 17 89 GT's that I do not know about yet. Two of the 33 are no longer with us. There are a couple that I have documented that I think are close to extinction and on their last leg. Of the two that are history, one was wrecked here in NC with about 7,000 miles on it. DR bought some of the remaining pieces of the car. It was not rebuildable. The other was originally owned by Lorenzo Lamas and later bought by Mark Anderson and turned into a race car. He no longer has the car. There is another unsubstantiated story that one was wrecked here in Charlotte. The story goes, a guy who bought a new 89 GT put it sideways into a tree at about 70 mph and walked away. He was so impressed with the structural strength of the car he went and bought another. This story came from a friend of mine who at one time was the number one sales person of Porsches in the US. He sold so many 928s that PCNA sent a silent shopper to see how he did it. His answer, " I liked the car so I sold them." What a concept! Perhaps if there were more like him, we'd still be able to buy 928s. I wonder how many of the approximately 17 I do not know about are gone forever? Regards, Chuck Zachman Carolinas Region PCA 928 OC - Charter Member 1995 928 GTS, 5-speed From: 928 SPECIALISTS [p928sp@928gt.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:27 AM To: 928 Subject: [928] Re: white 89 GT on AutoTrader Hi Chuck, Seems to be a true story, this is the same 89GT I found in Lexington, NC (near Charlotte). When I fired up the digital odometer it read 7809 miles. I saw what was left of the chassis and it was definitely a BIG tree that crushed the passenger area all the way to the center hump ! I still have the like new 89GT Engine and transmission on display in my office saving it for the right project.. :-) David Roberts 928 SPECIALISTS Phone: (828) 766-9280 Fax: (828) 766-5098 Website: http://www.928GT.com or www.928.cc E-Mail: 928@928GT.com Proud owner and driver of these 928s: 90 928GT 5-Speed Schwarz(Black)/Schwarz 89 928GT 5-Speed Schiefer Metallic/Schwarz 85 928S Euro 5-Speed Indischrot/Schwarz PCA Member - PeachState Region 928 Owners Club - http://www.928oc.org -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bailey [mailto:jim@928intl.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:40 PM To: 928 Subject: [928] Re: Difference between 928GT and S4 engine? The replacement engine crankcase with pistons is the same part number. All 5 liter engines as of 1990 used the same compression numbers and pistons . His engine with no numbers may have been a factory replacement block as such should have the higher compression pistons . The GT with the higher RPM has more opportunity to lose #2 and #6 rod bearings as you Kim have been aware of for what maybe twelve years now . The GT cams are stamped on the ends numbers are 271.01 , 272.01 , 273,01 , 274.01 the casting numbers are 928 105 271 .OR , 928 105 272.OR , 928 105 273.OR , 928 105 274.OR . They have more lift and duration . The 89 90 GT heads are a different part number to reflect the slight amount of hand porting . Jim Bailey 928 International Jim@928intl.com www.928intl.com (714)632-9288 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bailey [mailto:jim@928intl.com] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:04 PM To: 928 Subject: [928] Re: GT heads? The GT heads got about 15 minutes of port matching with a hand grinder ........ THAT is it... otherwise same part as any other 89 which did get the reinforced thicker section under some of the head bolts. Jim Bailey 928 International Jim@928intl.com www.928intl.com (714)632-9288 -----Original Message----- From: Samuel Fournis [mailto:928cs@noos.fr] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:30 AM To: 928 Subject: [928] Re: 1989 928 GT > There is reportedly +/- 50 1989 928 GT's imported to North America. I have > documented 37 of them and all were built between March and June of 1989. > VIN's are all higher then 1000. At this point, PCNA doesn't even acknowledge > their existence in spite of option code 639. But, with Porsche nothing is > for sure! > > Values depend largely on mileage, condition and what the buyer is willing to > pay. I have heard of cars selling for as little as $12k (obviously seller > didn't know what they had) and know of several that sold for $30k! > > Regards, > > Chuck Zachman > 1995 928 GTS, 5-speed > They were produced from March 1989 to July 1989. It seem that the first ones were delivered in the USA. The smallest VIN I know in Europe is 1470, the largest is 2382. The total production should be in the 250-300 range. The option code 639 must be combined with 220 (looking differential), 393 (CS rims in 8*16 and 9*16) ,and 474 (sport suspension). The engine is a M28/47 85K (first production engine M28/47 85K 00061). The gearbox is a G28/55 2K (first GT gearbox?). Very nice cars. In fact, they are CS with regular equipment, the best of both CS and S4. Samuel '89 CS From: CZach928@aol.com [mailto:CZach928@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:35 AM To: 928 Subject: [928] Re: GT differences <> 1989 GTs will have the following option codes. Not sure if anyone ever definitively answered the question whether or not 90 & 91 GTs came with option 474 or did it have to be ordered that way. 1990 & 1991 cars all have airbags, different shifter levers and came standard with limited slip. They didn't have option 393, only the 89 models had those wheels. 220 - Limited Slip 393 - Forged Alloy Wheels 474 - Sport Suspension 418 or 481 - Manual Trans 639 - 1989 928 GT <> Engine Number: 28.47 Trans Number: 28.55 <> Twin outlet exhaust and shorter shifter (89 models had a shorter version of the S4 shifter while 90 & 91 models had a new shifter that remained through GTS production). << Is the computer or Injection different>> Not sure about the answer to this one. I do know that the intake is the same part number as a GTS. << What other features?>> Other than the above, none that I am aware of. BTW, some of you may know that I have been building a database of 89 GTs, I currently have 48 cars. For years it has been rumored that there were only about 50 brought to North America but I'm guessing its more like 75+. Have started the process of building a web site and will let all know when its up. Regards, Chuck Zachman 1995 928 GTS - 5M